Arc of Prosperity

Scottish Independence within the EU – with a Scandinavian Slant


Oh, so you won’t allow it, Theresa?

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Theresa May seems to have said today she’s decided to prevent Scotland from holding a new independence referendum until Brexit has happened. It’s not entirely clear that’s what she meant (she was being vague and repetitive as usual), but that’s the interpretation most people took from it.

It’s absolutely unacceptable. In Scotland, the sovereignty belongs to the people, and an unelected prime minister cannot simply tell us to shut up.

Theresa May might be naïve enough to think that we’ll now just go back to eating our cereal because we don’t have any choice, but of course we have many options:

  1. Nicola Sturgeon can try to change Theresa May’s mind. Given that she was being very vague today, she can quite easily climb down simply by saying that ‘now’ simply meant ‘not in 2017 or 2018, but early 2019 is fine’.

    With any other prime minister, I would have thought it had a decent chance of success, but Theresa May has shown many signs of being a control freak, so I think the chances are rather slim. However, perhaps some clued-up Unionists can make her change her mind.

  2. The Scottish Government can go to the Supreme Court and argue that there is precedence for a Section 30 order being issued automatically whenever the Scottish Parliament asks for it.

    I’m not a lawyer, so I’ve no idea whether this would have any chance of succeeding.

  3. The Scottish Government can call a non-binding referendum. As far as I know, it’s only legally binding ones that require a Section 30 order.

    It’s not certain that the Unionists would participate in such a referendum, which could create problems with its legitimacy.

    There are also a real risks that many countries wouldn’t respect the outcome. Spain has for instance been very clear that they’re happy to recognise newly sovereign countries that obtained their independence through a legal, constitutional process (e.g., Montenegro), but otherwise they’re not (e.g., Kosovo).

    However, the Brexit referendum was non-binding, too, and yet the Westminster parliament was ridiculously keen to treat the result as gospel, so they might of course do the same after a non-binding #ScotRef.

  4. An alternative to a non-binding referendum would be to call new Holyrood elections with independence as the main question. If the Yes parties then have a majority afterwards, that can be seen as expressing the will of the Scottish people without the need for a subsequent referendum.

    It does raise the question whether it would be sensible for the Yes parties to run individually, or whether they should form an electoral alliance for this election to make it more certain they’ll win a majority that cannot be contested by anyone.

  5. Finally, we could of course just accept Theresa May’s order, shut up and go away and do something different for a few years. I personally think that’d be disastrous – it would simply embolden the Tories, and Brexit will cause a lot of damage to the Scottish economy in the meantime.

    There’s also a risk that the Tories would prevent EU citizens from voting in the #ScotRef post-Brexit (if there are many of us left at that point).

I reckon the most sensible option is to try (1) first, perhaps followed by (2), and then move on to (3) or (4).

12 thoughts on “Oh, so you won’t allow it, Theresa?

  • Referendum without an Article 30 could be blocked by the Presiding Officer, Labour MSP Ken MacIntosh and even if he doesn’t could be challenged in court as being an attempt to interfere in a reserved matter.

    Folding Holyrood early needs a two thirds majority.

    • So that would be another reason to prefer (4) over (3).

      • (4) can’t happen as we don’t have 87 votes out of 129 there

        • Surely (4) can happen if the Scottish government resigns and both both the SNP and the Greens vote against any other government getting formed. Then the presiding officer will have to call a new election.

          • Yes. That’s my understanding. No need for a 2/3rds majority.

      • (4) worries me as the Scottish Parliament election system was set up to prevent any one side having control. In 2016 the SNP could not gain overall control despite having the largest number of constituency votes ever recorded. Combining yes voters under one banner would possibly do the same and allow the unionists to pick up all the list seats. A system where you vote SNP for constituency and Green for list might work but it would require incredible voter management. Even after we won that the Tories could still refuse as they have the power and we are no more than a colony. We have the mandate already after 2016, lets just get out there and convince the people of Scotland that self determination is the only way forward.

  • Aren’t there some cards we could play with the EU here? We’re all EU citizens, after all. And our country voted 62% to remain in the EU. We’re being dragged out against our will AND not allowed a democratic vote on it.

    Add to that, this kind of tactic will almost certainly boost support for independence, which is already naturally rising, has demographics firmly on its side, and will likely rise even more if Brexit negotiations go badly. So how can Theresa May negotiate with the EU on behalf of “the UK” as a whole, if it’s rapidly becoming clear that by 2020 or whatever, Scotland will almost certainly not be part of it because there’s a majority for independence?

    I know the EU won’t want to interfere with internal issues of member states, but the UK won’t be a member state (Scotland might), and surely they have a right to question who and what May’s really negotiating for and with?

    At this point, I feel there should be some kind of EU citizens rights that the UK government are in breach of. The right to subsidiarity? Self determination? Something. And if May’s about to go into a disingenuous negotiation about what the UK even is, it’s less “interfering in a member state” and more protecting its own rights and interests, and that of its citizens.

    • Cath, that is an excellent point, and there are strong hints in the recent statement from the EU negotiators regarding the citizenship issue and specifically mentioning Scotland. I’m also sure there will be informal behind the scenes discussions going on. Nicola Sturgeon seems confident and relaxed. May looks like she’s seen a ghost.

  • I think trying (2) would be a waste of time and counterproductive, because the guaranteed result would be “this is up to the UK government, not judges”.

    A consultative referendum would be a waste of time due to unionist boycotts giving the result little weight (see Catalonia).

    A Holyrood election might work.

    • I agree. Do you think an electoral Yes alliance would be a good idea?

      • I’m not sure how SNP/SGP would decide candidates.

        • That could be arranged. I don’t think that’d be the biggest problem.


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