A regional prediction
In a blog post I wrote last October, I bemoaned the lack of polling data for the Holyrood regions:
What we really need is precise polls for each region. The constituencies don’t matter that much (the outcome is unlikely to change the number of seats won by each party), but we really need to know the level of support for the smaller parties in each region.
It seems Survation have been listening — at least their newest poll comes with some rather useful data tables that break the list vote down into the various electoral regions. Of course the sample sizes are tiny, so the statistical uncertainty is enormous, but it’s probably the best data we’ve got at the moment. (I’m basing the following on Table 7, “Normal weightings & likelihood to vote, with undecided and refused removed”.)
I decided to ignore the constituency figures found in the poll completely — as far as I can tell, the SNP is now Scotland’s largest party by far, and it’s likely it will win most seats (mimicking the result from May 2015); of course individual MSPs will be very popular in some places, and some SNP candidates might get into trouble, but I don’t believe these exceptional results can be predicted from the polls.
What I’ve done instead is to work out three different scenarios (see below). In all cases, the SNP aren’t doing quite as well as most people are expecting, and this is basically due to getting fewer list votes than in 2011.
Scenario 1: Same constituency results as in 2011
In the first scenario, I assume that all constituencies are going to produce the same result as five years earlier. I don’t think this is particularly likely, but it probably represents the worst possible result for the SNP.
Central Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 5 | 3 | 2 |
SNP | 8 | 6 | 2 |
Glasgow:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 5 | 4 | 1 |
SNP | 8 | 5 | 3 |
Highlands and Islands:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 4 | 2 | 2 |
Labour | 1 | 0 | 1 |
SNP | 6 | 6 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Lothian:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 2 | 0 | 2 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 3 | 1 | 2 |
SNP | 8 | 8 | 0 |
Mid Scot and Fife:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 2 | 0 | 2 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 3 | 1 | 2 |
SNP | 8 | 8 | 0 |
North East Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 2 | 0 | 2 |
SNP | 10 | 10 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
South Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 3 | 0 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Labour | 4 | 2 | 2 |
SNP | 4 | 4 | 0 |
UKIP | 2 | 0 | 2 |
West Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 6 | 4 | 2 |
SNP | 8 | 6 | 2 |
Total:
Cons | 17 |
---|---|
Green | 10 |
LD | 9 |
Labour | 29 |
SNP | 60 |
UKIP | 4 |
Scenario 2: Labour and the Tories win one constituency seat each
In the second scenario, I assume that Labour and the Tories will win one constituency seat each in every region. Again, I don’t think that’s particularly likely, but it represents a situation where the SNP does really well but still needs some list seats to gain a majority.
Central Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 4 | 1 | 3 |
SNP | 8 | 7 | 1 |
Glasgow:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 4 | 1 | 3 |
SNP | 8 | 7 | 1 |
Highlands and Islands:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Labour | 2 | 1 | 1 |
SNP | 6 | 6 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Lothian:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 2 | 0 | 2 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 3 | 1 | 2 |
SNP | 7 | 7 | 0 |
Mid Scot and Fife:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 2 | 0 | 2 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 3 | 1 | 2 |
SNP | 7 | 7 | 0 |
North East Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 3 | 1 | 2 |
SNP | 8 | 8 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
South Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 3 | 1 | 2 |
SNP | 7 | 7 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
West Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 3 | 1 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 5 | 1 | 4 |
SNP | 8 | 8 | 0 |
Total:
Cons | 24 |
---|---|
Green | 10 |
LD | 6 |
Labour | 27 |
SNP | 59 |
UKIP | 3 |
Scenario 3: The SNP wins all constituencies
In the third and last scenario, I wanted to see what happens if the SNP wins all the constituencies. Back in 2011, this happened in the North East, and yet the SNP won an additional list seat, so I wanted to see whether this could happen again.
Central Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 4 | 0 | 4 |
SNP | 9 | 9 | 0 |
Glasgow:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 4 | 0 | 4 |
SNP | 9 | 9 | 0 |
Highlands and Islands:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Labour | 1 | 0 | 1 |
SNP | 8 | 8 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Lothian:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 2 | 0 | 2 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 2 | 0 | 2 |
SNP | 9 | 9 | 0 |
Mid Scot and Fife:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 2 | 0 | 2 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 2 | 0 | 2 |
SNP | 9 | 9 | 0 |
North East Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 2 | 0 | 2 |
SNP | 10 | 10 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
South Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
LD | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 2 | 0 | 2 |
SNP | 9 | 9 | 0 |
UKIP | 1 | 0 | 1 |
West Scotland:
Party | Total seats | Const seats | List seats |
---|---|---|---|
Cons | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Green | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Labour | 4 | 0 | 4 |
SNP | 10 | 10 | 0 |
Total:
Cons | 16 |
---|---|
Green | 10 |
LD | 6 |
Labour | 21 |
SNP | 73 |
UKIP | 3 |
Conclusion
In all three scenarios, the Survation poll predicts that the SNP will have a majority together with the Green Party; however, they only have a majority of their own in the last scenario (where they win all the constituencies).
As far as I can tell, this means the SNP will have to do two things simultaneously in order to gain a majority in May: Firstly, it has to fight ruthlessly to win as many constituency seats as possible because it cannot assume that it’ll get any list seats; and secondly, it has to try to persuade the voters that Both Votes SNP is the way forward, or any lost constituency seats will be truly lost because the party doesn’t pick up list seats to compensate.
From a Yes perspective the good news about this poll is that it’s looking like there will still be a majority of Yes parties after May’s election, but it could very well be a majority that requires the Green Party to support the SNP.
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@DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity the worst case scenario listed here is an SNP government supported by the Greens. Why is this such a risk?
@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity Because you cant guarantee it. Most folk would love that IMO, but SNP majority is too
@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity important to muck about with.
@AdamRamsay @arcofprosperity Could a majority SNP Government choose to offer the Greens a cabinet seat or similar? They deserve a role.
@briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity why? What can they do with a majority but not do in that scenario?
@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity They need list MSPs for a majority. You can’t guarantee that by pissing about with 2nd votes.
@briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity my question was, what do they need a majority for..?
@briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity What is it they can not do in the other scenarios, but can do with a majority?
@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity Because it sends a pro Indy message to the rest of the U.K.
@briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity since when was that the priority? & why more than having a diverse pro-indy majority?
@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity It’s everything post indy1.
@DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @AdamRamsay @arcofprosperity Transport,renewables land reform,equal pay
@citzgirl @DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity why does the SNP need a majority to do any of those? Greens would support them.
@citzgirl @DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity apart maybe from some road building.
@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity It was mooted greens be given a portfolio, I thought these suitable areas.
@citzgirl @AdamRamsay @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity That’s how I read you, hence my reply.
@citzgirl @DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity Oh, I’m very sorry, I misunderstood your point. Yes, I see…
@AdamRamsay @briever1 @davidjfhalliday @arcofprosperity Green position on a second indyref is extremely equivocal.
@citzgirl @DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity almost certain not to happen with an SNP majority.
@WingsScotland @briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity Greens will support #indyref2 on receipt of a petition from significant numbers..
@WingsScotland @AdamRamsay @briever1 @arcofprosperity I was worried about that but was told recently the new members are much more for it.
@WingsScotland @briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity …calling for one. That’s clearer than the SNP position!
@AdamRamsay @briever1 @davidjfhalliday @arcofprosperity Exactly. Unless they get a bigger counter-petition.
@AdamRamsay @WingsScotland @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity significant numbers of what?
@AdamRamsay @briever1 @davidjfhalliday @arcofprosperity Which is not only a ludicrous position but a piss-weak one.
@AdamRamsay @briever1 @davidjfhalliday @arcofprosperity You can’t seriously ask SNP voters to be fine with that.
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@DavidJFHalliday @WingsScotland @AdamRamsay @briever1 @arcofprosperity the SNP’s position on a second referendum is hardly categoric either
@briever1 @AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity the majority would do what? Implement austerity like we’ve got now?#shapeshifters
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@AdamRamsay @briever1 @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity If you r an SNP voter I would suggest voting 1&2, or Lab & Tories could prevent maj.
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@AdamRamsay @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity excellent point-sounds like an ideal if #fracking stopped first
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@AdamRamsay @citzgirl @DavidJFHalliday @arcofprosperity until we win the struggle for #indy it must be #BothVotesSNP
@AdamRamsay @citzgirl @DavidJFHalliday @StFilansDream @arcofprosperity would they though?
A regional prediction https://t.co/d8FLk0UA2U
Prof. Curtice thinks the Survation poll could overstate support for the minor parties (and understate SNP support) on the list because their question refers to the list vote as a “second” vote, i.e. implying that it is a second preference.
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I’d actually be reasonably happy with a minority SNP govt supported by the Greens or even in co-alition with Greens. My favourite Holyrood govt to date was the rainbow parliament.
I’d actually be reasonably happy with a minority SNP govt supported by the Greens or even in coalition with Greens. My favourite Holyrood govt to date was the rainbow parliament.
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